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That is true Eric - but our products are not LED tubes and our products outperform fluorescent - you should see our Department of Energy Compliant LM79 test results - that says it all: http://www.aoturoaled.com/docs/aoturoaLEDsw50.pdf Also- power companies are indeed offering rebates - but you have to...

AoTuroaLED kit replaces fixtures that use either 4 T12 tubes or 3 pcs of T8 tubes...so 1 kit is all you need for the entire fixture. Cost is $199.00 USD - see here http://store.aoturoaled.com/AKIT1_p/ledkit50-2x4.htm

References to DOE CALiPER testing must take into consideration that DOE is well behind this curve. Their Energy Star program will not consider the new retrofit tubes above 4100K. Go figure out that one. They also want 2800 lumen for a 4-foot tube with all this light directed at 120 degree beam angle...

From Bill Li - Hi ,MIke, This is Bill from ATG Shanghai Office. Who is Manuel Lynch Thank you so much for commenting Bill - what is your real name? Thanks for asking Bill who I am - I am not sure you had all your information correct. Here is more details for the group to clear up the misinformation you...

Great note about self ballasted LED tubes - you are correct. Most of the applications where we are very successful is in where fixtures are on 18hr-24hrs. ROI is about 12 months. We are doing some of the biggest names in the industry KFC, etc.