Good Morning:
Do you guys have suggestions for maintaining waterless urinals? I know they have different maintenance requirements than water-using urinals ... Thanks.
I was glad to see that you've had the same experience as I've had on my campus. We've only had them a short time period, so I'll try the 3 month approach instead. I would love to replace them all together, but like you mentioned, budgets don't allow for it!
Chris, below is an article I prepared for a newsletter on maintaining waterless urinals. Possibly this will provide the info you need.
Occasionally facility managers complain that their no-water urinal systems are causing odor problems in their restrooms. Often, a waterless urinal is actually more odor free than conventional systems because the interior of the unit stays dry. Bacteria, which usually is the cause of restroom odors, needs the moisture found in a conventional urinal in order to thrive. However, there have been odor problems reported, and in most cases they are the result of improper maintenance. Either the custodial crew has not been properly trained on cleaning the systems, or they are simply not following the manufacturer’s cleaning instructions.Although the care and cleaning of a no-water urinal is similar to that of a conventional, water-using urinal, there are some differences. Facility managers and custodial managers should be aware of these to keep no-water urinals odor free and operating properly.Here are some of the key steps involved in cleaning and maintaining a waterless urinal system. Note that although they can vary by manufacturer, these steps usually apply to most no-water urinals.
• Wear gloves to clean any restroom fixture. • Remove any foreign objects in the urinal. The trap/cylinder is designed to prevent larger objects from entering the drain area. • Do not use abrasive cleaners or brushes. • Mist all urinal surfaces with a neutral or all-purpose cleaner or a disinfectant cleaner.• Allow for dwell time (if a disinfectant, as indicated on the label). • Wipe clean with a soft cleaning cloth.
As you can see, this is a straightforward cleaning process. In fact, most custodial professionals find that cleaning a waterless urinal system actually takes less time than cleaning a conventional, water-using urinal.Sealant and Trap Replacement
So far, the procedure to clean a no-water urinal does not differ much from that for a conventional urinal. However, the following steps are unique to most no-water urinals. These involve maintaining sealant in the trap/cylinder that sits at the base of the urinal as well as replacing the cylinder when necessary.
As the urinal is used, small amounts of the sealant, which along with the cylinder keeps sewer odors from being released into the restroom, will be drained into the waste line. It will need to be replenished, usually after about 1,500 uses. In a school this amounts to about two refills per month. Pour three ounces of sealant directly into the cylinder.
The cylinder itself will need to be replaced. On some systems, it must be replaced every couple of months. On others it may last several months. And unfortunately, some of the shortest-lasting cylinders are also the most expensive. This is why managers must do their homework, ensuring that they have selected a system that not only saves water but costs relatively little to maintain.
In most cases, manufacturers of the no-water system will provide detailed instructions on how to change the cylinder. They may also offer online videos that custodial workers can access at any time. At any rate, overall, on most no-water urinals systems, it is quick and easy to change the cylinder.
What Not to Do
There are a few things that custodial workers should never do with a no-water urinal system. Among these, as referenced earlier, is using abrasive cleaners or scouring pads. They simply are not necessary with a waterless urinal, and they can scratch the interior of the unit. Most waterless urinal systems are designed with a highly polished porcelain interior to enhance draining. Scratching this surface can harm this process.
Also, some custodial workers use urinals to drain soiled water from buckets. This should never be done with a no-water system because it can potentially damage the cylinder and cause the sealant to be drained away.
Finally, if an odor problem or any other type of problem appears to be developing, managers and custodial crews should not ignore it. Usually the problem is an indication that the sealant or cylinder needs replacement or possibly there is an issue with the drainage line. A few minutes investigating the situation usually results in a simple remedy, keeping the system operating properly and odor free.Klaus Reichardt founded Waterless Co in 1991 with the goal to establish a new market segment in the plumbing fixture industry with water conservation in mind. The company’s key product, the Waterless No-Flush urinal (www.waterless.com), works completely without water
Klaus ReichardtWaterless Co. Inc
www.waterless.com
Hi Bill, My company has been supplying waterfree urinals for several years. The most common complaint is the odor problem. There are a couple of ways to mitigate the odor from waterfree urinals. One you mentioned which is increased ventilation. Another is cleaning often with proper cleaning solution. It's important to use a cleaning solution that will not compromise the vapor barrier solution used in the cartridge. The SJS-20 is a cleaning kit from Sloan Valve that we offer to our customers for this purpose. Frequent cleaning using the SJS-20 will keep the odor to a minimum without ruining the cartridge. You can also use urinal screens and metered air fresheners to help with the odor.www.airdelights.com/waterfree_urinals.htmlAnother issue related to waterfree urinals is installation. When retrofitting to an existing building it's important to make sure you have enough angle or grade in the wall waste pipe for the urine to freely flow away from the urinal. This seems to be a big problem as many wall waste pipes are level or even have a small depression in them. This causes urine to puddle and then crystallize in the wall waste pipe creating a blockage. If this occurs there is a solution you can pour in the drain to remove the blockage, but re-crystallization will occur unless the problem is fixed. It's also not a bad idea to rinse the urinal and pipe with water each time you replace the cartridge to help minimize urine crystallization.Hope this helps.airdelights.com
Howdy
We have 30 Toto Waterless urinals in our complex. While I am grateful for no longer having to deal with flushometers etc., I am now having to deal with urinals be clogged. Removing the cartridge and snaking the line has been our only solution. Are we missing something as far as maintenance? Building is 2 1/2 yrs. old.
Thanks
Paul
I did not know Toto makes a waterless urinal. Can you provide a link? Would love to see these!
Thanks,
R.
The problem is bacteria plain and simple. Even with the reduced water being used it's still the bacteria breaking down the urine that causes the odors. No amount of cleaning or over cleaning is going to stop the formation of the bacteria and the scale that results..Short term the unit will smell better but it's short lived. Ask me about how my customer with hundreds of waterless urinals resolved all of these problems and lived to talk about it !!
Regan, am posing the question you offered how you helped hundreds.
Klaus,
What's your email address ?
Thx,
Regan
Thanks Regan. klausreichardt@sbcglobal.net
Have a nice weekend!
Paul,
There is new product that one of our plumbers used after breaking his auger recently on a urinal plugged with calcium and urinal crystals, its called Free Flow at www.nbpproducts.com It is biodegradable and very safe, the good thing is it actually worked. He got it in Chicago area at Crawford Supply.
Good Luck,
Dave
When I first started studying waterless urinals I read the literature including the multi-page maintenance instructions that were to be done by building janitors. SMU must use graduate students for janitors if they can read, understand, and follow the directions. The local plumbing board won't approve them because of the maintenance (lack of) problems.
Simple answer; they are too complicated for normal janitors.
Suggestions:
Remove the waterless urinals because these end up clogging with urine salts in the sewer line. Cleaning the urine salts from the drain line is not sustainable. A low flow urinal uses 13% more water than a waterless urinal and is better for sewer lines. The low flow urinal uses 87% less water than a conventional urinal.
If you have to use waterless urinals then the drain line should be cleaned out every 6 months. Add a deodorizer to the bathrooms because these will be begin to smell bad if these are cleaned and maintained every two-three hours. The Zurn urinals are pretty good, I have them in over 4000 facilities and work pretty well.
One way to help with the odor issue is to use a point source ventilation system. Green Products Corporation www.greenprodcorp.com makes a toilet ventilator and urinal ventilator.
I work for a large university medical center and we changed to the waterless urinals in the summer of 2010. It was all about being "green" and saving water. What we found out was the smell was unbearable and the cost to replace the cartridges was ridiculous. After numerous complaints from patients, staff, and visitors, we switched back to the water based urinals within 5 months. Total failure.